'86 Ralph Sampson
Gems of The Game / Playoffs 4
General information
Theme
PlayoffsAdded
May 15th, 2017Height
7'4" (223cm)Weight
228lbs (103kg)Age
26Team
Houston RocketsFrom
VirginiaPlays
P&R Wing P&R Point
95 Overall
78 Outside scoring
- 80 Open shot mid
- 74 Contested shot mid
- 42 Off dribble shot mid
- 80 Open shot 3pt
- 68 Contested shot 3pt
- 54 Off dribble shot 3pt
- 98 Shot IQ
- 85 Free throw
- 98 Offensive consistency
95 Inside scoring
- 98 Shot close
- 98 Standing layup
- 89 Driving layup
- 95 Standing dunk
- 95 Driving dunk
- 85 Contact dunk
- 95 Draw foul
- 94 Post control
- 95 Post hook
- 87 Post fadeaway
- 95 Hands
88 Athleticism
- 75 Speed
- 74 Acceleration
- 80 Vertical
- 99 Strength
- 97 Stamina
- 85 Hustle
- 99 Overall durability
75 Playmaking
- 55 Speed with ball
- 64 Ball control
- 74 Passing accuracy
- 89 Passing vision
- 88 Passing IQ
90 Defending
- 85 On-ball defense IQ
- 95 Low post defense IQ
- 96 Help defense IQ
- 84 Pick & roll defense IQ
- 74 Lateral quickness
- 85 Pass perception
- 95 Reaction time
- 85 Steal
- 98 Block
- 95 Shot contest
- 95 Defensive consistency
97 Rebounding
- 97 Offensive rebound
- 97 Defensive rebound
- 97 Boxout
- 3962 Total attributesattr.
Outside Scoring
Inside Scoring
Pick & Roller
Excels as the roller in the pick & roll game.
Post Spin Technician
Dominates the post with spin and drive moves.
Drop-Stepper
Known for his ability to user the drop step move to his advantage in the post.
Dream-Like Up & Under
Excels at scoring in the post with up and under moves.Playmaking
Break Starter
Starts fast breaks with accurate outlet passes.
Dimer
An elite passer known for hitting teammates in the correct position to score.
Flashy Passer
Known for throwing on-point flashy passes to his receivers.Athleticism
Lob City Finisher
Catches and finishes alley-oops better than others.
Brick Wall
Sets extremely effective screens and drains energy from opponents on pick collisions.
Bruiser
The physical nature of this player drains energy from his match-up.Defending
Defensive Stopper
While playing on-ball defense, this badge drops various offensive skills of similarly positioned match-ups.
Rim Protector
An elite shot-blocker who intimidates those around the rim, causing interior shots to be less effective.Rebounding
Hustle Rebounder
An elite rebounder known for chasing rebounds out of his area.Personality
Clutch Performer
Steps his game up in big games and big moments.
Defensive Anchor
Defensive leader who helps his teammates perform better defensively.
Hardened
Will play through fatigue and injury without experiencing a severe drop in skill.Dunks
- 99 Standing dunk
- 49 Driving dunk
- 49 Flashy dunk
- 75 Alley-oop
- 82 Putback dunk
- 4 Crash
Layups
- 99 Standing layup
- 49 Driving layup
- 41 Spin layup
- 35 Hop step layup
- 37 Euro step layup
- 40 Floater
Jump shooting
- 47 Step through shot
- 0 Shot under basket
- 30 Shot close
- 0 Shot close left
- 0 Shot close middle
- 0 Shot close right
- 0 Shot mid
- 0 Shot 3pt
- 0 Contested jumper
- 0 Stepback jumper
- 0 Spin jumper
- 50 Transition pull up 3pt
- 15 Use glass
Drive setup
- 12 Triple threat pump fake
- 21 Triple threat jab step
- 85 Triple threat idle
- 15 Triple threat shoot
- 0 Setup with sizeup
- 0 Setup with hesitation
- 85 No setup dribble
Driving
- 20 Drive
- 70 Drive right
- 0 Driving crossover
- 0 Driving spin
- 0 Driving step back
- 0 Driving half spin
- 0 Driving double crossover
- 0 Driving behind the back
- 0 Driving dribble hesitation
- 0 Driving in and out
- 75 No driving dribble move
- 37 Attack strong on drive
Freelance
- 70 Shoot
- 75 Touches
- 0 Roll vs. pop
Post game
- 80 Post up
- 25 Post shimmy shot
- 5 Post face up
- 85 Post back down
- 50 Post aggressive backdown
- 85 Shoot from post
- 50 Post hook left
- 50 Post hook right
- 50 Post fade left
- 50 Post fade right
- 0 Post up and under
- 0 Post hop shot
- 0 Post step back shot
- 25 Post drive
- 20 Post spin
- 0 Post drop step
- 0 Post hop step
Passing
- 0 Dish to open man
- 0 Flashy pass
- 0 Alley oop pass
Defense
- 70 Pass interception
- 10 Take charge
- 45 On-ball steal
- 92 Contest shot
- 92 Block shot
- 5 Foul
- 5 Hard foul
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needs duo with hakeem
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I don't know if they'll do it again. They already put the ruby hakeem and ruby ralph together.
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ok 2k we get it you like giving centers 3's
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so basically diamond yao with a three ball
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to all of you who payed 200k for diamond yao here's a ralph sampson who's gonna be cheaper and better
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He will be cheaper not better.
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Not better LOL You must have never used Ralph sampson
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I have. I prefer Yao Ming.
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How? lol I dont see your logic
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Diamond Sampson only has better speed and and better open shot 3 than Diamond Yao. And in 2K all Diamond centers can score easily in the post and around the basket. And height is the only thing needed to block shots. So like I said Sampson will be cheaper but not better than Yao. They will pretty much play exactly the same.
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He has like a 40 higher speed better driving layup and dunk has 3 ball and only 2 inches shorter than Yao 99 strength 74 lateral so he can guard Thon and Porzingis better on D than Yao he has like 600 more stats than diamond Yao and will be cheaper.........
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I agree with you I'd take Ralph over yao all day yao with 37 speed is a liability some times, I have a speed shoe on Ralph and he is flying lol and hits threes. And not to mention ralph has a 85 steal and pass perception at 7 4 he snags one handed steals in PnR and in the lane like no other
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the face you make when a team drafts you the year before one of the best players ever
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RALPHHHHHHHHHHH
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**IS the OG Twin Towers
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Alright....well it's over boys...if you don't have this card then just bow in fear.
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/players/9680/ralph-sampson
first off the picture is the same from last year and 2nd off, if you had this card last year you know how good this one will be. Same card with a 3. GG
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That 80 3 ball doesn't really matter though since he has a 0 three tendency
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Tendencies only count if they're an AI. So it doesn't matter, you can still pull threes with him
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not necessarily, 0 3pt tendency means he will almost never just go and spot up in the corner unless you make him
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You can run Ralph at SF with his 64 ball control along with Giannis at PG
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1/2 of the twin towers
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Hey don't say that you'll attract Osama Bin Laden
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Next thing we know Shaq will be hittin from DEEP
You know, cause 2k are, let's say... retards?
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/players/9680/ralph-sampson
Looks very familiar 2k...
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where the diamond curry at?????????????????
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whut
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FINALLY A GOOD SAMPSON CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been waiting for this card ( which he deserves ) for two years.
He was an incredible post player, part of the Twin Towns with Hakeem, and he would have been a Top 10 center of all time if he didn't get injured early on in my opinion,
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Does anybody have any suggestions for my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/809228/current-lineup
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2K has Gone to far lol this card is in my eyes the Most OP card 2k has ever made lol for real who can stop this card and who can score on this card
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rate my lineup pls http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/810064/my-current-lineup
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Listen, I know Giannis Antetokounmpo isn't an amazing three point shooter, but he shot 27% this year on 2.3 shots a game and 2k gives him a 78 three ball. Ralph Sampson on the other hand never shot one three per game and his percentage was ass from three, yet 2k gives him and 80 three ball. Next thing you know, Dwight Howard gets and 96 free throw and Curry gets a 92. Smh.
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I asked for this card over twitter so many times and 2k finally did it. I'm so happy rn
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Such an amazing player when healthy, too bad injuries cut his career short.
He averaged 21 pts, 17 rebounds and 2 blocks during the 1984-1985 playoffs
Then hit a game winner to send the rockets to the finals the next year against a Laker team that had Magic, Worthy and Kareem
One of the OG Twin Towers
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rate this lineup tho
http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/570503/current-lineup
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http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/811710/my-team Can someone please help me out with this?
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so mark jackson and ralph sampson get a moments, but not curry? there must be new packs like mvp packs that are coming out with a diamond curry
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http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/769323/current
my current lineup and I got like 350,000 mt to spend. What should I do??? Thinking go for that Vince duo
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Ralph went from averaging 0.1 threes per game to don't leave him or he'll bang.........
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80 open shot three 2k, and hes a center? DAMIT 2K, You HAVE A BEAST IN THE GAME AS SOON AS I GET MY CHECK.
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nope nope nope
Fuck this shit I'm out
MMMMMM HMMMMMM
Fuck this shit I'm out
No thanks
Don't mind me
Imma just grab my stuff and leave
Excuse me please
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Alright then
I don't know what the fuck just happened
But I don't really care
Imma get the fuck up outta here
Fuck this shit I'm out
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WHY?!?! He shot 0.2% for his career!!! I can understand legends getting it but RALPH?!?! #nbaliveftw
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This ain't relevant to this card but can anyone let me know what changes I should make to this lineup. I also have 9k mt left. http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/813497/bruce
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THIS CARD IS BEASTLY
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oh wow, thank u for this thought out comment. us mtcentral users will rlly a kick of it! you know what? I am going hit u up w a nice upvote. Now how does that feel? it was the least i could for the way put a smile on my face :D
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okay, i get that this particular player wasnt a great shooter, but fym he is a center. centers dont have to be terrible shooters smh u know nothing
They made mid range shots
They make 3 pt shots
2K logic
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Show 42 replies...I think that IS the logic.. and I don't think it's bad.
Realistically, 2K HAS to adjust player stats to account for the changing game. They do it with other stats, we just don't think of it that way.. but it's absolutely what's happening.
When we see something like Oscar Robertson with the same ball control and moving 3pt shot as Damian Lillard, we don't think twice about it.. but it's really JUST as egregious as giving bigs 3pt shots. By 2017 standards, Oscar would have 55 Ball Control and like 40 Off Dribble 3. We allow for 2K to make the change to account for how the game changed, and how his skills were, relative to his time.
With Bigs, we get all up in arms about it.. but it's the same thing. Bigs in the 80's didn't shoot threes, but if they played today, they absolutely would. In a game mode where players have to keep up with players in a game that has evolved.. you kinda have to adjust stats for that evolution, otherwise historic players would be kinda trash. The reality, that a lot of people don't seem to understand and/or like, is that players have gotten MUCH better at basketball now. If you hopped in the Delorean and dropped Jamal Crawford off into 1972, everyone would think they were looking at a wizard. In 2017 NBA, he's just alright. If we took Karl Towns back to 1980, he'd be the unanimous MVP. In today's game, he's lucky to make an All-NBA team.
tl;dr- 2K HAS to make these adjustments for the game mode to really work. The same way Marc Gasol had to juice his 3pt rating in real life to remain effective in today's NBA, 2K has to juice older players' ratings, and it's realistic to do so.
wow i have major respect for the time and thought put into this
This is a really good point to an extent. I feel like 2k is overdoing it by giving players like Sampson 3pt ability because not everyone in the NBA can shoot from deep, but most legends that come out have crazy good shooting ratings when they shouldnt. Your idea makes perfect sense, but i dont think it applies to all facets of the game.
Not trying to start a fight, just putting my opinion out there since you put out yours. ;)
no you're absolutely right. realistically only a handful or so of actual centers today shoot threes. there's absolutely no reason for old school guys like kareem, ralph, or rodman(not a center but you get my meaning) to have three point shots. only thing it does is make every center card basically the same card without any uniqueness. 2k themselves decided from the jump to give many myteam center cards a three point shot to make buying packs more attractive and to appease to the myteam culture of cheese and op teams.
I agree that 2K isn't actually EXECUTING this all the way right... there's no world in which it can be argued that Dennis Rodman should have a 3Pt shot, regardless of any adjusting for era.
I think guys like Hakeem and Malone would ABSOLUTELY have consistent 3 Point shots if they played in 2017, so I don't mind them having one. Kareem... eh... I'm not as bothered by his, since 2K gave him on on the low end of even being usable.
But yeah.. I don't disagree here at all. I DO think people have to think about MyTeam a little differently than they do, and that makes these errors less annoying. Instead of being WTF ridiculous.. it just becomes "eh.. that doesn't seem quite right", when you see the Kareem 3 Pt rating.
i respect that you're being reasonable, but there is right to be angry because this does nothing but cheesify an already cheesy ass mode. it's dumb. it's become nothing but a cartoon and is no where as grounded as it used to be.
i completely disagree and btw good job disrespecting a lot of legends. 2k has been just fine these last few years of myteam without having to artificially adjust player's attributes. especially giving big men 3 point shots who were atrocious from there. it's just disrespectful and in the end all it does is make basically every big man the same card. 2k needs to just make player's stats what they are. if you want realistic, there are only a handful or so of centers today who actually shoot threes. so why feel the need to fake old school centers stats? this is just very dumb on 2k's part. they only give these centers these fake 3 point shots to appease cheesers and make buying packs more attractive to 2k players.
Like I said.. it's impossible to "make players what they are" and have them be competitive.
I'm not disrespecting legends at all. The stark reality though is that *gasp* people are continually getting better at basketball over time. If you put Bob Cousy into the league today, he'd get ripped every time down the court. If you put Pistons Isiah Thomas into the league today, I'd be shocked if he could bump Jeff Teague out of his starting job. Skill-for-skill, the players have just gotten better.
When we look at old players, you have to just look at who they were relative to their time. For that, you can say a guy like Oscar Robertson was an absolute beast.. but I'm sorry.. have you ever actually watched footage of him? He had to look down at the ball to dribble. His pull-up took a full two seconds to do. His range, while good at the time, was no more than 18 feet. By today's standards, he may not even make the league. I know people romanticize the past.. but NBA basketball, like everything else in life, has improved in proficiency over the last 5 decades. I know that sounds unbelievable, but it's true. When we rank guys over time, it's always with the understanding that if we dropped them into today, they'd be just as proficient at TODAY'S skills, as they were at yesteryear's. It's not to say that their game would translate 1 to 1 over time. It wouldn't. At all.
So again.. 2K has to juice Oscar stats to account for the change in era.. they do the same with the bigs. You can choose to reject the notion that Oscar Robertson would get eaten alive in the league today, if his skills didn't adjust for time.. but you'd be dead wrong.
So Isiah Thomas, who went toe-to-toe with Magic Johnson, considered by the majority to be the best point guard of all time, and matched him stride for stride http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-finals-pistons-vs-lakers.html is worse than Jeff teague. Cmon dude, that is an extreme stretch
Don't give me numbers. Numbers are worthless in this discussion, because the numbers are from the 80's. The game was different then. I'm talking skill-for-skill.. what was Zeke better at, in 1989, than your average point guard is at doing right now?
Shooting? No.. Handles? No.. Defense? Eh.. Zeke was always overrated on D, and the closest thing he had to deal with to what EVERY PG can do today, was Mark Price....
Passing.. yeah, I'll give that to Zeke.
But even if you don't like the Jeff Teague thing.. let's look at say Chris Paul. CP is waaaaay better than Isiah at literally everything on the floor. Shooting, passing, defending, rebounding.. everything. It's really not even close. If you got prime CP into the same gym with prime Zeke, the difference would be night and day. People don't like to think like that, since Isiah has nostalgia going for him.. he's got mystique.. he's got rings.. but skill-for-skill, it's not even remotely close.
Guys have gotten better. I don't get how people don't see this.
Here's a standard play by Steph.
https://youtu.be/l7_0vDm7jgE
Again.. not even spectacular by Steph standards. Could Oscar DREAM of doing that? No. But their Ball Control and Off Dribble 3 ratings are off by 2 points. That's all you need to know. The game is adjusted in all sorts of ways, and it HAS to be, when you take off the Rose colored glasses for the past.
If you have watched isiah thomas film from the 88 or 89 playoffs (I've only watched playoff film from him), you would know that his handles were amazing for his time and very much above average if placed in this age. Dribbling the ball was a much harder task when defenders were allowed to hand check all they wanted. His midrange game was absolutely elite. While his three point game was not good at all, that was mostly a product of playing in an age where three point shooting was still a new part of basketball. If he played in today's age he would have been forced to practice more three point shots and less midranges.
I will agree that while he was a multiple all nba defensive first teamer, the previously mentioned handchecking that he was allowed to do helped with that. He would still better defensively than every tốp point guard other than paul, lowry, or maybe wall although he gambles way too much on defense.
The only thing that he would most likely be average in today's nba would be three point shooting. But players like John wall who use quickness and court vision are able to make up for that. And he was a much much better midrange shooter than John wall is now.
Overall, yes I would say prime chris paul is a better player in today's game than isiah thomas would be but that is a huge leap from Jeff teague.
Isiah wasn't good on defense, handchecking or not. He was on an elite defensive team, and Dumars routinely took the tougher matchups. Zeke's defensive rep was only really gained on the backs of Dumars, Rodman, Laimbeer, et al.
Isiah's handles were great for the time.. and that's my point.. FOR THE TIME, they're great.. but times change, and if you had Zeke handles in the NBA right now, you'd have like 80 Ball Control.. not 98 Ball Control. Isiah was a midrange god, but now he has 90 Open Shot 3 in 2K.. why? Because we understand that he'd be a good 3 Pt shooter if he played today. It's zero stretch to acknowledge that. So it's OK.
We allow 2K to shift certain attributes without a second thought, but get all riled up over others. It's silly. Any objective look at a player like Isiah Thomas shows that his stats are juiced too, just like Hakeem. It's no different really. For some reason, 2K players are OK with shifting guards/wings, but for bigs, it needs to be straight skill-for-skill? Why?
I completely agree with everything in in this comment, other than than him being carried by grest defensive players. But yes I completely agree that we should have the same mindset with these things. I only felt a little confused as to where you put isiah thomas of he played today. Jeff teague is the epitome of being average when it comes to point guards and I would think isiah would at least be in in the top 6 points guards. Idk why 2k decided to go this route this year with all the EXETREMELY inaccurate stats but I guess they were going for more of an arcade game this year
Idk about 80 ball control tho, that would put him on the level of a reggie jackson. I would definitely say his ball control is dated and he didn't have the flash of players today but flash shouldnt necessarily decide ball control. And that's also a thing he would practice more with the play style of today
Detroitvseverybody please don't give in to TizOnly1, he's literally just spouting bullshit and he must have some sort of zeke bias. you're heart is in the right place.
I get he'd practice more.. but that's where you're conflating things.
Either we're talking a straight-up port of 1989 Isiah Thomas into 2017.. in which case.. no.. he wouldn't be Top 6. He'd be an average starter, with 80 Ball Control.
Or we're talking adjusting his relative skill for the time, in which case he'd be a Top 5-6 PG, with 98 Ball Control.
If we just had a time machine and brought 1989 Isiah into the league and dropped him off.. no time to adjust.. sorry, but he'd get work from most of the league. Just skill-for-skill, he's not seeing Harden, Russ, Steph, CP, Wall, IT, Kyrie, Kemba, Lowry, Dame... ANY of the guards that we see as elite. They all have skills that would seem unreal by 1989 standards. You have to go pretty far down the list before we get to someone that is skill-for-skill (not impact.. not adjusted for time..) equal with even a great like Isiah.
Isiah would still be fast by today's standards, but his lack of 3 point shot (especially off the dribble) means you can duck under all screens, so he's really no threat from the perimeter.. he's short, so it's not like he's scoring out of any iso situation... he needs the screen.. but he can't shoot, so he can't get into the lane off people going under... he wouldn't have open passing lanes, unless he had a stretch big to create that for him. He'd have a HARD time excelling in 2017. Idk.. the Jeff Teague comparison REALLY feels right to me. I know it sounds blasphemous.. I get it.. but is it actually off?
The argument for Isiah, and any old player, is that they mastered the skills that were known and necessarily for them to dominate in their time, and they'd likely do the same thing in any era.. and I tend to agree with that.. so take Isiah from Chicago in the 1970s.. and instead put him in Chicago in the 2000's, and as long as he doesn't get shot, he's coming out of Chicago as a player that would be perfectly tuned to dominate 2017, like he dominated 1987. But that's the argument FOR tuning stats. If he came out of IU in 2017, he'd shoot 3's from every situation, he'd be able to split screens easily.. I mean.. not to be too trite.. but he'd be Isaiah Thomas.. not Isiah Thomas.
So again.. we gotta decide how we want it. If we don't want Hakeem with 85 3.. then we don't want Isiah with 98 Ball Control either. It's one way or the other.
I do feel like one is more of a stretch than the other. Isiah WAS elite at dribbling for his time. Hakeem just flat out didn't shoot threes, same with ewing rodman, and kareem. The difference is one was good at that thing back then and the others werent
Yeah, they didn't, but it's his point and it's the right point for any sports - it evolves, as does players, training methods, tactics, their tendencies etc. Before Dirk we didn't heard about stretch four, but now there's ton of bigs with great shooting from mid to 3-pt line. So if Hakeem was born in 1990s, ho would most likely played like this.
Yeah we can put their pinpoint stats in today's context, but it would devalued most of the older players.
kareem, a 7'2 post player would have a three??? he's a center first of all and even in today's era majority of centers still don't shoot threes. what the hell. and even if kareem didn't shoot threes today. you're telling me a 7'2 post God and great rebounder would be devalued just because he doesn't shoot treys??? my God,you guys don't know what you're talking about.
Exactly. We have two choices really.
1) Perfect skill-for-skill port of older players.. which would make all older players trash basically with only a TIIIIIIIIINY number of exceptions (Pistol, Baylor, Wilt, West, Russell, Erving... and like.. nobody else pre-1984 class)
2) Adjust older players' skill to account for the game evolving
For some reason, the 2K community has this hybrid approach where they're OK with certain skills getting a bump, but other ones not.. it makes no real sense.
If we're adjusting 1985 dribbling up to 2017 levels, and we're OK with that.. why can't we bump 1975 18 ft shooting range out to 23 feet? Because we've drawn an arc on the court in the meantime?
yes adjust the damn game, but at least be reasonable and adjust it for their skill sets. you adjust for players like west because he was a guard known for his skill as shooting. you don't adjust kareem, ralph sampson, or wes unseld's three point shots because that has never been or never was even remotely their games. they were always mostly paint players/rebounders never long range perimeter scorers. and you continue to disrespect older players because of some bias you have. so you're telling me jerry west would be absolutely garbage today? you're telling me nate thurmond(a 6'11 scoring and rebounding monster) would be shit? you're saying oscar, a 6'5 triple double machine would be atrocious? you've already said isiah thomas(who's game would actually transition amazingly with today's game)would be shit. so that already shows how much of an idiot you are. you honestly can't prove any of the things you say because it's impossible. but yet you contiueto disrespect the older generations who set the standard for this great league we have.
Man, nobody is telling that older players would be garbage nowadays, if they had the same training as younger players, but skillwise there is huge trench in every era. Players are now stronger, faster, with better skillset both in handles and shooting. Of course great players would always adapt, because they have ton of talents.
It's a straight fact...I work in sport science (mainly soccer and hockey) and you see the progress everywhere. Johan Cruijff was amazing dribbler, would be also great today, but not as outstanding as he was in 60s and 70s... There is no disrespect, just stating plain facts.
No he straight up said isiah thomas wouldn't start over Jeff teague lol. I didn't pay 40 bucks to play nba jam I payed 40 bucks for a franchise that advertises itself as a simulation game. But that's besides the point. Making isiah thomas or oscär robertson slightly better at ball handling (I think you underrate how their skill but whatever) is not the same as giving dennis rodman, who didnt even shoot outside of 7 feet, a 78 three point shot. Don't know how you can argue with that.
I understand your standpoint, but as I said, if we transfer pinpoint skills, the game would be unplayable. If no "older" big, besides the obvious like Dirk, Bargnani, Frye, had 3-ball.
Therefore I say, look at the progress in big man shooting after Dirk entered the league and stretch 4 was invented. There is huge, almost exponantial progress, which go hand in hand with all game changing to more perimeter and less paint oriented. I have no problem with lowering 3-pointers for older players who didn't play much in 3pt line era except McGlocklin and Maravich, but you would see every one else bitching around.
Btw Rodman was shitty shooter, but with his last two seasons with Pistons, he was shooting pretty often (for the time) from behind the arc.
Add Gervin to the list of players that could port 1-to-1 from their time...
"Either we're talking a straight-up port of 1989 Isiah Thomas into 2017.. in which case.. no.. he wouldn't be Top 6. He'd be an average starter, with 80 Ball Control. "
how do you know that? you a got a magic wand to be able to say something so ridiculously ignorant? zeke's ball handling, speed, mid range game, passing abilty, iq, huslte, toughness, and heart would easily transition to today's game. he even had a bit of a three ball, hitting close to 400 for his career.
"If we just had a time machine and brought 1989 Isiah into the league and dropped him off.. no time to adjust.. sorry, but he'd get work from most of the league. Just skill-for-skill, he's not seeing Harden, Russ, Steph, CP, Wall, IT, Kyrie, Kemba, Lowry, Dame... ANY of the guards that we see as elite. They all have skills that would seem unreal by 1989 standards. You have to go pretty far down the list before we get to someone that is skill-for-skill (not impact.. not adjusted for time..) equal with even a great like Isiah"
again you have no definite proof, all of your assumption are like fairly dust, they don't really exist or mean shit because you honestly can't prove any of it. you're basically just talking out of your ass. a 6'1 lightnign fast pg with a great middy, great handles, fantastic passing, and fantastic ability to get to the rim would be so shit in today's game. yeah okay.
"Isiah would still be fast by today's standards, but his lack of 3 point shot (especially off the dribble) means you can duck under all screens, so he's really no threat from the perimeter.. he's short, so it's not like he's scoring out of any iso situation... he needs the screen.. but he can't shoot, so he can't get into the lane off people going under... he wouldn't have open passing lanes, unless he had a stretch big to create that for him. He'd have a HARD time excelling in 2017. Idk.. the Jeff Teague comparison REALLY feels right to me. I know it sounds blasphemous.. I get it.. but is it actually off? "
Zeke would adjust because of his high iq. even back then he had a three point shot, it wasn't great but he had one. his handles, speed, and tougness would make it easy for him to create. a simple screen and zeke uses his speed to get to the middy or paint where he could easily have a pull up midrange, or floater or dish it off. so many ways in which his skills would transition to now. but you're dead set on seeing him as some sort of really ass player just because he played in a different era. your mind is just fixed on it like it's the end all be all.
"The argument for Isiah, and any old player, is that they mastered the skills that were known and necessarily for them to dominate in their time, and they'd likely do the same thing in any era.. and I tend to agree with that.. so take Isiah from Chicago in the 1970s.. and instead put him in Chicago in the 2000's, and as long as he doesn't get shot, he's coming out of Chicago as a player that would be perfectly tuned to dominate 2017, like he dominated 1987. But that's the argument FOR tuning stats. If he came out of IU in 2017, he'd shoot 3's from every situation, he'd be able to split screens easily.. I mean.. not to be too trite.. but he'd be Isaiah Thomas.. not Isiah Thomas.
So again.. we gotta decide how we want it. If we don't want Hakeem with 85 3.. then we don't want Isiah with 98 Ball Control either. It's one way or the other."
you really have no idea what his game would be if he played today. you really don't. he could easily be cp3 type who uses the three ball sparingly and is mostly a set up man or mid range man. who excels in the P/R. you're assumption that he'd be steph is just weird and where you get it from idk. you also are dead set on seeing zeke as some sort of midget when he was 6'1 which is right around the average height for a pg(6'2.75). 2k aside. for this post i'm just purely speaking on your utter disrespect of a legend and how you really never need to speak on basketball again because you're honestly shit at it. peace.
my God, you're literally just making up shit for your arguments.
" isiah would have like 80 ball control today."
how do you know that? you're just making up shit to try and discredit an all time great. you know none of this for certain.
"isiah would have a three point shot today."
do you know that for sure? or do you not know that even back then he had somewhat of a three point shot, hitting close to 400 for his career.
2k shifts certain stats to at least allign with a player's play style, like west having a three point shot even though there was no three point line. but because he was known as a shooter. whereas shifting a player like kareem or ralph's stats with three point shots is just plain out dumb because they're games were based majority around the paint and not the perimeter.
Jeff Teague is not putting up 20 points, 9 assists and 3 steals against Magic Johnson im sorry.
"If you put Pistons Isiah Thomas into the league today, I'd be shocked if he could bump Jeff Teague out of his starting job. Skill-for-skill, the players have just gotten better"
.that is the dumbest thing that i ever heard in my life. isiah thomas, top 10 point guard, who matched up with some of the game's greatest of all time( and honestly didn't play that long ago so his game would actually transition far better if we were to drop him in today's league) and held his own and played comparably with magic johnson, who is universally considered the greatest poitn guard of all time,would not even be able to keep up with JEFF TEAGUE??!?!?!?! my God, i'm astounded by your ignorance. of course the game has changed but had the same players been born recently and gotten the same training and up bringing as today's stars, they'd no doubt be just as great(even then there is great argument that many great players from other eras would transition well in today's league regardless, guys like Zeke for example, lightning fast, great handles, middy, great getting to the rim, high iq, and great passer. he also didn't even play that long ago, and he played in one of the greatest eras in nba history). as for your argument on other era great's games in their era transitioning to now. Now what is the gotdamn point of making an argument like that other than to try to disrespect their legacies? they can't control when they played, no one can. all they can do is be the best they can be, and without them setting that standard you nor I would have this great league that we have today. back to your idiotic "big man shooting threes" argument. 2k set this standard of cheese by first giving too many bigs fake three stats, so now it's nothing but a pure cheese fest. had they givin who deserved the three shots to those that deserved them and kept the one that don't deserve them without them, we wouldn't have such a cheesy ass mode. they only do this dumb shit not to "doi make players comparative to today's league" but rather they do it instead to make the packs more attractive and make more money with no care about the quality of the game. My God, most centers today don't even shoot fucking threes o what the damn are you even saying!?!
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Big up man.
Shut yo bitch ass up lol oscar got handles...ball control doesnt mean kyrie like dribbles....if he can run a fast break & average 11 assust a gane he has ball control & i bet oscar can hit threes...
lol stop talking bro
nah you stop talking. he's right. ball control doesn't have to mean having amazing flashy dribbles. it can just mean having the ability to handle the ball through pressure and traffic and navigate the court easily.
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But let's give him the worst jumpshot in the game so nobody will want him
2K Logic
http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/810938/current-lineup-rate-improve Help?
http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/178673/current-mt-lineup-122616 Any advice?
Hey how's that Mark Aguirre? I've been thinking about picking him up but his ratings don't seem all that great
he isnt that good i would save another 10k up for a diamond hayword if you can tbh
2k logic:
7'4'' 228lbs = 99 strength
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Show 2 replies...Thats a pretty big dude
Ralph was a insane athlete
why is his off dribble 3 better than his off dribble mid lol
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Show 5 replies...This card is everything that Ralph Sampson wasn't
This comment is everything that the top comment on Charles Barkley is
wrong..... It's actually insanely accurate other than the 3 should go down to like a 55.
Originality i eeverything this comment wasn't
So this one doesn't do coke?
I think 2k know if they don't have a good shot no one will want them and Ronnie wants our money
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Show 5 replies...Ok so I have a dilemma, in Revenge of the Sith, in the Mustafar battle scene between Obi-Wan and Anakin, Obi-wan wins because he 'has the high ground.' This results in Anakin having his legs cut off, as well as his arms and is left to burn, resulting in the iconic Darth Vader suit. Now, in The Phantom Menace Obi-Wan also duels at the end of the movie on Naboo, battling against Darth Maul with his master Qui-Gon Jinn (who unfortunately is struck down in battle). The duel sees Obi-Wan hanging from what looks to be a light above a huge pit. Now Obi-Wan has lower ground than what Anakin had in Revenge of the Sith but still succeeds in jumping up and severing Maul in half. Do you see my dilemma? How is this possible?
Darth Maul had let his guard down. He figured Ob-Wan was done for and that all that was left was watching him fall to his death. On Mustafar, Obo-Wan and Anakin were still engaged in combat and had their guard up, hence Obi-Wan being able to cut down Anakin.
And if you are speaking in terms of distance leaped, Anakin was on a floating platform which was not very stable as seen earlier in the flight scene. SO when he leaped off, it must have absorbed some of his potential energy which would, in turn, give him less kinetic energy while jumping. On the other hand, while Obi-Wan was hanging, he was hanging off a metal protrusion that was a part of the wall. Which would mean it was more stable, hence absorbing less potential energy from Obi-Wan leading to more kinetic energy on his jump.
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tzqehBgi4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU
Well replied, thank you for clearing that up :)
lmao
Cause obi is the goat, PS why is this here?
2K logic- If a player hits at least 1 3 in their career and has a diamond card, they deserve a 70 3 cause at this point no one gives a shit.
I kinda of said that but ok
2k logic give center's great threes
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English please
This is my highest upvoted comment and it's not even close. Thanks for all of the upvotes guys!
lmao
This guy 7'4 and has a 98 block?????? This guy is as tall as the twin towers CONBINED smh his block should be 1000
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Show 1 reply...And 80 vertical... dear god
yea lol last year his amy had 35 three
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Show 1 reply...35? damn that sucks ass
His career he literally made ten 3s
Holy Fudge I just realized he got 99 strength WTF must cop
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Show 3 replies...did you really say holy fudge
do you have an issue with a nice, juicy tin of holy fudge????
Yes you weird man
in ralphs day he could actually hit open threes
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Show 3 replies...??? His best 3 point season he only made 3 3s
but he could have made more if he wanted
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He used so much drugs he agreed with 2k on this card
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Show 2 replies...It wasn't drugs (that was the Nuggets and David Thompson) He had bad knee and back injuries
gg